There's no attempt to give Jews a state, Al. They have a state and have had it for seventy years and it's a pretty prosperous state at that. Had I been a sentient being in 1948 I'm pretty sure I would have opposed the formation of a state based on one particular religion/ethnicity. But Israel is now a fact, eight million souls live there and, like any other bunch of eight million human beings, Israel must be supported. The ordinary people of Israel, the Jews, the Christians, the atheists, the Muslims and the bedouins, deserve a quiet life of peace, security and prosperity and the best shot at equality that any imperfect democracy can muster. Being hoodwinked into supporting a vicious and bellicose regime, as I believe a very large number of Jewish citizens of Israel are, does not mean that they deserve to be cast into a state of fear and insecurity, and I for one utterly condemn idiots who declare that Israel should be wiped off the map. But successive Israeli regimes, which still live under the spell of those horrid terrorists of Shamir's Stern Gang and Begin's Irgun (note how those guys, among many others, including Sharon, gained fake legitimacy once they entered the politics of the new state), have completely delegitimised the project. The propping-up militarily of the Israeli regime by the US is a disgrace. That's what some of us are on about, Al. It just ain't right.