Kevin,
say that the campaign by both sides in the referendum were ill-informed and cynically manipulated?

Such campaigns always are, but that was not what was said.
Dave claimed that the electorate are inadequate, so should not be trusted to vote.

Dave, I have always used the term manipulated and never said anything about gullible

I quoted you enough times. You have to be gullible to be manipulated by misleading campaign claims.

Insofar our sources of information are dishoest and manipulative, we are indeed both illinformed and misinformed.

I disagree Kevin. Each side can and does challenge the claims of the other side.

The jury or the electorate have all the arguments and counter arguments from both sides to put in the balance.
Are you really arguing that the electorate are too ill informed and too easily manipulated to vote, or juries to decide?
What do you advocate instead.
The Star Chamber?