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Steve Shaw BS: blood & soil Nazification of America (279* d) RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America 16 Aug 17


I would never advocate violence but let's get this right. If any more marches of this nature are allowed to go ahead there will be a massive police presence whose job it will be TO DEFEND THE FASCISTS. As someone who has been on a number of demonstrations at which there has been deliberate provocation of the "side" I was on, including provocation by the police, I can relate that it is next to impossible to stop flare-ups, so let's get real, shall we? Trump, the police and the fascists WANT violent protests so that they can accuse the left (under which heading I think I'll include all decent people who do not want to see this scum given free rein on THEIR streets) of violence and deflect criticism away from the people who put Trump in the White House. Remember that the violent reaction of people in the East End in 1936 is now seen, rightly, as heroism in the face of a wrong-headed establishment. History will judge Trump the same way and it won't take long. Jim is spot on. He mentioned Blair Peach, who was my friend. A lovely, non-violent man of slight stature who was clubbed to death by a policeman after taking to the streets to oppose a fascist rally. Part of his legacy is that we now question the right of fascists to hold provocative rallies. My dad's generation didn't fight a bloody war against Hitler only to see triumphalist fascism back on our streets. Sod that. I don't want to hear mealy-mouthed shoulder-shrugging rubbish about fascists having "rights." If they come out on to the streets then so should we, and we don't want to see the establishment looking after them. If nothing else, in the name of public order they should be prevented from demonstrating altogether.




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