But pfr you have told us all in the past that you revel in your "Oikishness", you are proud of it and wave it like a flag.

I merely tell you what happens to the birds once they have been shot.

Very few if any "poach" grouse - it is just simply too much like hard work for the reward. Pheasant on the other hand is dead easy - as previously stated, they are the daftest birds in creation.

Not fussed whether you would like them served on a diner plate or not.

Love to know what this broader perspective is with regard to grouse shooting pfr - neither you, nor any of your leftie-class-warrior usual suspect pals have got the foggiest notion about the subject judging by the stream of corrections that have been supplied by myself and others to some of the utter nonsense that you and your pals have posted on this thread so far - none of you have been able to argue these weaknesses you speak of - so far the only downfall noted has been that of this thread's creator.