Steve Shaw - 09 Sep 17 - 04:43 PM 1: "Keith, your silly, tedious hotel metaphor doesn't hold water, so do us a favour and give it up, will you." Well Shaw, Keith's "tedious metaphor" is a damned sight more relevant than your gas storage tank one for a start. 2: "When I book into a hotel it's a mutually-beneficial, time-limited arrangement with all parameters amically agreed in advance. I book to stay for a specified period of time, after which I check out in an orderly and timely manner. I do not suddenly jump ship half way through my stay, leaving the hotel in the lurch, expecting them to handle all the losses they incur by my suddenly vacating my room." You book into your hotel and you indicate to them how long YOU THINK you will be staying - the only person to agree anything is YOU. YOU have accepted the hotel rates which are daily/nightly. They must accept the natural risks that your visit may be curtailed through no fault of anyone's and through circumstances completely out with your control. When you find yourself in the situation that you are forced to check-out early you pay for the accommodation and services that you have received - you do not pay for the remainder of the stay and the hotel cannot ask you to. The only thing they would be able to do would be if your, say, "two week" stay was at a preferential discounted rate and you only stayed three nights they would be perfectly entitled to charge you at their full fate for the three nights you stayed as you would not be entitled to the discounted rate for such a short stay. 3: "I should not expect to be able to leave paying nothing towards the previously-agreed part of my stay that I've welched on." Their risk all part and parcel of the business they are in. Tell me Shaw would you then expect a full refund if the hotel immediately finds an occupant for the room that you have prematurely vacated? There again you are probably basing your argument on "package holiday deals" - anyone taking advantage of these who does not take out insurance to protect themselves against the advent of having to fly home early is quite simply a mug. 4: "Yes I know that there is no agreed time factor in the agreement regarding our EU membership." This in effect blows your argument above to bits. You join a club, which is more or less what the EU is, you are perfectly entitled to resign your membership at any time YOU deem fit. You automatically surrender your "joining fee" and that year's subscription - that is all. 5: "But, by suddenly deciding to leave, we are dumping on them. Not as much as we seem to think. But they are well within their rights to charge us a hefty fee for leaving. And we need to be humble and we ought to hear what they say and be extremely polite about any efforts to reduce the sum." What was sudden? The referendum on Leaving or remaining has been on the cards since 2007. Now I make that nine years of discussions and opportunities for reform and change - all ignored by the EU. By the way I thought you and the other remoaners on this forum took the view that in leaving the EU we are dumping on ourselves? They are only well within their rights to charge what they believe we actually owe and they must quantify and justify that figure, in that same vein we are entitled to our share of common assets that we have contributed towards and WE must quantify and justify that figure. In both cases the final outcome is one of consent of both parties - they must be mutually agreed - it most certainly IS NOT their right to dictate terms to us, as you seem to suggest. 6: "Any other attitude to the situation would be us thinking Queen/Empire/who won the bloody war anyway/we're the dog's dangly bits and who are these Johnny Foreigners demanding money off of us. Not only that, the attitude would result in an adverse outcome for us. Davis and his motley bunch of hubris-laden little Englanders have got a lot to learn. At the moment they are being laughed at and pissed on, deservedly. Be honest and drop the Colonel Blimp shite." Good heavens Shaw!! Is that you introducing hubris-laden "Little-Englander" shite?? 7: "Once we leave, which I hope we never will, we'll soon find out what small fry we really are in this big wide world of ours." Article 50 has been triggered Shaw - Forget your hopes - WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. The economy of the United Kingdom is the fifth-largest national economy in the world measured by nominal gross domestic product (GDP), ninth-largest measured by purchasing power parity (PPP), and nineteenth-largest measured by GDP per capita, comprising 3.7% of world GDP. It is the second-largest economy in the European Union by both metrics. Hardly small fry Shaw. For someone who claims to be as widely travelled as yourself Shaw, I would have thought that by now you would have discovered what the bidet in the bathroom was for - enjoy your ants, skidmarks and view while ye may.
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