Mrrzy, you used the term "Gifted musician" in relation to Doc, but are there such people who have an inherent talent that allows them to play with such excellence or, is it the original interest that they have that makes them work exceptionally hard to master an instrument ? I only ask in order to hear people's views, as one who, no matter how much work I put into practising musicianship, could never be deemed as anything more than "useful" !