The discussion is not about homosexuality but about how we should regard Kipling's attitudes and opinions. They appear out of date and perhaps unacceptable to us, but our own certainties may appear similarly out of date in another hundred years. It is fair to criticise him, but in doing so we should be aware that we are not uniquely wise, and that we too might look very suspect to future generations. The non-sequitur post was removed. The brief reference is fine - but Dick taking the bit in his teeth and running with a change of subject is not. ---mudelf
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