Steve while I fully support most of what you have said, when I started this thread, I had no idea that there was any possibility of a new Full English website, and when you suddenly find half the information you need is somewhere else this justifies a howl or two of frustration much the same as a book you need being moved out of sight without your knowledge. Neither is it about disrespecting anybody or suggesting that the EFDSS is the 'enemy' (Where did that come from?) I suggested in my original post that I would 'give it a chance etc.' but when I contacted Reinhart and David Sutcliffe they had no idea that their links would be rendered useless. Using Mudcat as a platform for matters such as this is the nature of the forum. My original post was a plea for some sort of explanation which if you read my other posts I was quite pleased to receive. I then went on to say that I understood the situation and was wiser than before. How long would it take to gather this information directly from the library? As you rightly say it needs tweaking, and thanks to Reinhard and Richard the situation has been explained and I think we, are in a more supportive frame of mind. Most if not all of us have supported the EFDSS for decades as I am sure you are aware.