Thanks alanww , great idea but a bit too far, for a daytime trip , it's really the midnight Happy New Year bit were hoping for. brid widder, fond memories of past Whitby New Years, though tinged with the horrors of being frozen to death in our flat, also been to Whitby twice this year. Still woth bearing in mind though. Noreen would be great to have you tag along, and no need for small voice. Watch this thread you never know what delights may be on offer just brush up on "Here we come a wassailing among the leaves so green2 (I must learn where the italic button is). cheers Theresa