Well McGrath you see, I think in this world if you don't pay for anything then what's the point in looking after it? (that's not my view but it's a view which, living where I've lived, is most definitely commonly held).

And yes WE know that the young generation have everything to fear but i don't think they do.

And Tone d'F, you're the deserving case. When I was talking about being tougher I meant on laws in general. Not just on benefits. By that point we'd started talking about litter and thats more of the track that I was on. I think we should be tougher on those who fiddle the system, and more caring to those who deserve it, because as I stated earlier (and I'm beginning to think people aren't reading the whole of this thread) that's what our welfare state was designed to do...

I could tell you of a case I know of (sorry but I do not know where to find the legal shit you need like cases etc...but I do know the person who used to take statements for lawyers and stuff like that, precognitions) where a disabled kid was passed around two families on a particular council housing estate so they could both claim benefits for it (can't remember if it's a him or her, sorry...) What I meant when i said get tougher was to get tougher on those who are abusing the system, not those who are genuinely needing help...

:)

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