LEJ: Hank partially said what i was going to say, but to pick up on a theme I've been putting down in another thread. I wasn't pointing the finger at individuals. That is really hard to do, especially for people who actually believed that they were doing it for the right reasons (a s I'm sure your father did). What I'm saying is that these situations as BSeed said are wholly economical and manipulated by wants of a nation or organisation. Brazil(normally a neutral member of NATO) was suckered into supporting the directive for action in Kosovo because of its massive debt to the IMF, we got to keep licking international bunghole so they look kindly on our loan repayments. So this just goes to show what a truly international statesman Fernando Henrique Cardoso (the Brazilian President) is, he is cut from the same cloth as the Clintons, the Blairs and the rest of 'em. Smiles and pseudo-liberalism on the one hand, and "hardman" posturing on the other. Of course Blair is a vociferous supporter of Clinton, he still wants to be friends with the U.S. ( when I say the U.S. I mean the gargantuan state machine that runs the country not the individuals. Yes Slobodan Milosevich is a murderer and and dictator. I never denied that, but this situation was obviously going to happen from the first day of independence from the Soviet Bloc. political historian with half a brain would have seen this. What i was trying to say, but didn't really make clear was, where the hell were we before this situation started to go out of comntrol? Why were we not there to help ease the independent struggles of the various countries and groups in the Balkans. We weren't interested in trying to enlighten the people, just selling them more coke and nikes. No you can't let the situation carry on as before, I'm sorry if the irony didn't come through but I was actually being ironic. Surely we are more enlightened today and we can help people towrds a better understanding of each other instead of letting situations build up, then getting huffy because they won't listen to us. Sorry, but this selective blindness of the Member countries of the North Atlantic Treaty doesn't wash with me and I'm sure it doesbn't with a lot of other people as well.