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bill kennedy Lyr Req: The Sour Grove - medieval Welsh poem (17) RE: Lyr Req: The Sour Grove - medieval Welsh poem 20 May 02


Dicho, your link does go to the correct site, but you've spelled it wrong, it's Cywydd, not Cwydd

for those interested, the title is a form of Welsh poetry, more exactly it's Cywydd Deuair Hirion 'ouplets, of seven-syllable lines, rhyming a stressed with an unstressed syllable'

and the word Cedor means pubic hair (Male or Female) close to Irish caithir, and interesting note on belladonna, in Welsh it's the 'witches pubic hair' (see below)

cedor [ke -dor] feminine noun PLURAL cedorau [ke- do -re] 1 pubic hairs llau cedor lice in the pubic hair ETYMOLOGY: Welsh < British < Celtic Breton: kezhour (= pubic hair), Irish: caithir (= down, pubic hair) NOTE: see cedowrach = deadly nightshade, belladona

cedor gelc [ke-dor gelk] feminine noun North Wales 1 hair of the armpit ETYMOLOGY: (cedor = pubic hair) + soft mutation + (celc = hidden)

cedor y wrach [ke-dor ø wraakh] feminine noun 1 see cedowrach

cedorol [ke- dô -rol] adjective 1 pubic ETYMOLOGY: (cedor = pubic hair) + (-ol = suffix for forming adjectives)

cedowrach [ke- dou -rakh] feminine noun 1 Atropa belladonna = deadly nightshade, belladona ETYMOLOGY: cedowrach < cedor y wrach (the) pubic hair (of) the witch NOTE: codwarth (a variant of this word)

I thought the interview was amusing, the 'Babes' sound like fun, but it's awful too New-Agey music for me. Give me Benjamin Bagby's attempt at being authentic at least, though it's good to have them introducing these things to a larger audience, who then might go out and find other versions.


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