C-flat...no apologies necessary! You're right, much of this thread is too technical - over my head anyway and the level that your last was at was right on, just happened to be something I knew already - and, as I said, in playing with it, I found some new stuff in there - so it was worthwhile. I was just joking a bit about the dummy thing - (cause I am one) Please dont hesitate to send more, if you wish. I agree about watching another player, thats where I've learned most.... dont happen to have one handy though, so maybe I'll dig out some video concerts... Keep the info coming! Stand by for EUREKA!