Ah sorry, Ireland. Typed that last posting in a bit of a drunken stupor. More haste, less speed (and more typos). What I should of course have said is that he has only been charged with the offences, he has not been convicted of any offence. I really should have stayed off the drink last night. Thankyou for pointing out the small but vital cock-up. I hope you know what I meant, even if what I wrote made very lttle sense. I've now had a coupla hours kip, and can now think properly again (oh joy). To recap. Huntley and Carr charged but not convicted. Presumption of innocence still applies. I'm not an apologist of any sort, but everyone MUST assume this innocence until conviction, rather that congregating outside courts shouting for the return of hanging - an absolutely disgusting, holier-than-thou attitude. This is the same behaviour that saw intimidation of paediatricians during the big paedophile scandal of last year. If Huntley killed Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, then no amount of punishment, unpleasantness, and harrassment will be enough for him, but we should have the social decency to wait for the verdict. Mark my words, though, Carr's involvement will receive vastly more hate, vitriol and attention in certain sections of the press, no matter what the details of her conviction. It's an interesting parallel with the Moors Murders, actually, as Huntley already has the Brady like "crazy" tag, due to his Sectioning, while Carr is seen as a monster. Yours in peace and sobriety, a.w.