John Hardly, yes, that's what I meant, and yes, I am a member, but my cookie sent me in circles and I didn't know a reason to sort it out. Now I guess I do, thanks.

Uncle J, I'm a bit familiar with Limbaugh, but George Will is more my style. You can't count on Limbaugh to be informed, at all, imo.

   Abortion aside, for the moment, just as a general philosophical question, is a person (if you like) more innocent when they have never had to choose and act with a moral concience than someone who has? Really? Or is that a bottomless concept having no existential import--by which I mean not "existentialism" but simply that one can believe anything they want about something that doesn't demonstrably exist. Is it wrong to kill animals that have never had to make a concious moral choice, or it's okay because they aren't "human"? What does it mean to be human then.

I don't have a lot to say about abortion and have not had to face it, and never will as a woman might, but think there may be more to it than your take on it.