Beccy-I seriously disagree that those countries have the decimation of Western culture as their primary goal, but even if they did, how would that make them an "Axis of Evil?" The United States hopes to destroy the current Iraqi culture, and is generally opposed to cultures which do not inclue the principles of equality and majority rule; does that make us evil? To declare a country "evil" is so massive a generalization that it can never be true so long as the inhabitants of that country are even remotely human.

McGrath-I don't believe in existential decisions. General policy is a different matter; I make it a general rule not to kill, torture, or drive more than ten miles an hour over the speed limit, but I can see circumstances under which those actions might be not only allowable. but necessary. I don't think that the current intelligence situation warrants the use of torture, but I don't rule it out in all possible cases.