I don't think that what wilco48 has described is a liberal/conservative problem. I think it's a mudcat/forum problem. Internet forums have devolved into this sort of everyone-is-an-expert-with-their-set-of-internet-sources-that-prove-them-right.

Nobody is listening.

It's a crowded house and everyone is shouting.

Forums are rapidly becoming the last refuge for the lonely to find fellowship. Sadly, they were lonely in the 3D world for a reason.....and the reason follows them into the internet.

The mudcat's favorite red herring in this continual, on-going debate is to talk about the dictionary definition of "liberal" and "conservative" and then formulate their arguments and definitions from that. But I doubt that anyone here doesn't know that language evolves and that, though it may be helpful in understanding a word's root meaning that brought about a moniker, its dictionary definition most often holds no close correlation to current useage.

Wall.

Head.

BANG!!!!