Ron, believe it. (Well maybe not the majority, but I have otherwise intelligent dear friends and relatives who believe every word they say - it saddens and frightens me).

DougR, yes SOME conservatives are nice folks, just as SOME liberals are nice folks (and SOME none-of-the-aboves are nice folks). I consider you to be a nice conservative 'cause I have never once heard you say that I should be killed before I become a traitor. :)