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Thread #62533   Message #1015970
Posted By: Malcolm Douglas
09-Sep-03 - 10:58 PM
Thread Name: Uilleann Pipes
Subject: RE: Ullean Pipes
Scholarly thinking on the subject seems not to have changed a great deal since then, though it has become more rigorous; occasional references to bagpipes in the Roman armies are no longer taken to "prove" that the pipes were introduced to Britain by the Romans. The evidence of one single bronze is no more significant in that respect than is the fact that the Romans brought a few elephants over here at one point. There is no evidence of a resultant elephant population in Britain, and, equally, there is no evidence of a local bagpipe playing tradition earlier than about the 13th century, when, in the wake of the crusades, they began to appear all over Northern Europe. So far as can be told from the historical record, the pipes were taken up in England rather earlier than in Scotland; dates for Ireland are more vague, but they appear to have arrived there during the same period. There is no particular reason to imagine that bagpipes were introduced to Scotland from Ireland; France or England are more likely immediate sources, but at all events the likely timescale isn't all that great; a hundred years at most, probably less.

This really is a purely historical issue, and considerations of (anybody's) national pride have no place in it. I'm glad to see that the discussion is settling down to a sensible approach; credit to Sorefingers for joining in with the spirit of it.