Wow!!

LH:

Competency in violence is not the question. The proposition is that an entity resorts to viokence only after having screwed up other possible means of managing things. But I think actually that is just disingenuous, since almost all animals live on some sort of violence. Carnivores against each other, and herbivores against weeds and plants.

In fact just because humans organize their food chain doesn't make it look any less violent from the cow viewpoint, does it? Getting your throat cut or your brains smashed in is no less violent because it is done by an organization with secretaries and all...

Maybe you could argue that if we were truly competent we would live on light and water, but I feel that's going a little far...

:>)

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