tuggy mac..I wish people did not need to use books, but *I* do not shut them out because of this, and our song circle does not exclude them (and I have resorted to cheat sheets myself on occasion)...what we are concerned with is those who cannot do the song WITH the book! If I can close my eyes and not realize you are using a book or notes, I will not complain. Pauses to find the next verse, experimenting with the tune, unfamiliarity with the rhythm and pace tend to make the whole situation awkward and less than fun. I can't see how those doing it can be enjoying themselves either...