Well, Mark, I think it is beyond just a "framing issue", which involves folks having to chose between two opposing views to what I would "frame" as a *winners circle view*. Success has been "framed" in terms of being on the *winning side* and more folks seem to just want to be on that side, irregardless of what it might mean to be on that side....

I firmly believe that if Hitler were alive and well and living in the US today that if the population percieved him as being "framed" as a winner, that the majority would gladly walk Jews into gas chambers and kill them....

I mean, like I look at my neighbors with their stupid fu*king American flags strapped all over their cars and trucks and know that they would kill me in a heartbeat if they thought that I was one of them pinko, commie, peacenics....

Welcome to George Bush and Johnnie Ashcroft's America.....

Bobert