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Thread #64446   Message #1054179
Posted By: John Hardly
15-Nov-03 - 12:23 PM
Thread Name: Jesus - Did he exist?
Subject: RE: Jesus - Did he exist?
Bill D,

There is(are) other option(s). It doesn't have to be the judge Moore is right/you're wrong and therefore Moore has the right to shove it down your throat -- or otherwise coerce you to a set of beliefs and behaviors.

It could be as I (and most believers I know) think. That we are right, you are wrong, and we'd like to convince you (for your own good from our perspective) but if we cannot convince you, no amount of coersion is of any value because the catch is -- any belief not from free will is counter to fundamental Christianity anyway.

I'm not really that comfortable with my above statement -- I prefer to think of it as a willingness among all to discuss beliefs - not a wishing to convince. Still, in the context in which this discussion has developed, I'll let my initial statement stand -- given that I think I'm right, of course I would think it better if others agreed with me.

Now, I may hold certain societal values due to my faith -- and in a democratic society as we have I should have just as much a right as you to vote, and act in civily acceptable ways, to see that what I think is good for society are activated or not dismissed. But those would (if my above mentioned statement about free will and faith hold true) not be in matters of faith. I do believe in the non-establishment clause. (I also am not for the display of the Ten Commandments in public buildings except in such a manner as a general acknowledement of the history of law -- as one might also acknowledge another influential historical code. I am also not for prayer in public schools.)