Clinton, I'd appreciate it very much if you would not post anymore to this thread... your input here is far too 'mean spirited' and distracting, and I'm just not interested in what your justifications are for this nastiness... Please feel free to start your own "Loving being the snide and sleazy backhander" thread...

...and to any one else that might be actually interested in bringing out the best in the people around us, what would be the best environment for the empowerment of musical expression, and confidence... I am not just speaking for myself in this thread... many people abhore the abusive and the sadistic... and much creativity and expression is lost to the overbearing egotist... what works for you? ttr