"Up until then (911), he was an election fraud and a thief. After, a liar and a phoney. Now, convince me otherwise. (With facts, not opinions)"

It would be a pointless exercise kendall as the charges you lay are based on your opinions and having taken that position there is nothing that would convince you otherwise.

One thing that has never ceased to amaze me and others this side of the pond is the insistance of the voting population of the United States of America that their politicians must be as pure as the driven snow - it must be a great comfort knowing that you are all so perfect.