Ah, DougeR, it's so good to see you on here and able to laugh with the rest of us; you are an inspiration, dearie! Ya know, I just was at a few volleyball games, beach parties, uh.....Halloween dances, yea, yea, just a few things like that, 'cha see?? And, of course, there being NO societal restrictions on men taking off their shirts, well most do whenever they get the chance, regardless of persuasion, so...I do see bare chests frequently, even just driving down the road, ya know?!**BG**luvyaKat