By the way, back on the 26th Stilly River sage mentioned the Adirondack chairs that Norm Abrams made. Several years ago I made one and liked it so much I made a set of templates so I could build a bunch of them. I used simple pine (or spruce) from the hardware store and made up a bunch of them as Christmas presents that year. They are still going strong though only one of my siblings uses hers outdoors. The rest have become indoor chairs, I have mine in the living room now. They are very comfortable, easily the best Adirondack chairs I've ever used.

Does someone have an address for a boating forum for boats that are NOT built of wood? Wooden boats here in Guam do not last long and I know very little of plastic, steel, ferrocement, and aluminum.