MArtin,

You are confusing two things: how a person is basically and how they act socially.

I am sure you have seen plenty -- I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Again you mixed up two things. I said that if you haven't observed what happens when someone reclaims part of their own basic nature that has been beaten out of them at some point, you're missing part of the picture.

I know people act bad. You're perfectly right that laws and force are needed to restrain a small percentage from fouling up productive activity for the majority. Couldn't agree more. But the question wasn't about behaviour but about whether people were that way basically or not. And they aren't.

As for your abusive language, well, I'm sorry you find it ncessary -- did you think I would understand a more civil communication? Or does abuse prove something for you?

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