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Thread #67470   Message #1127590
Posted By: Wolfgang
02-Mar-04 - 08:21 AM
Thread Name: BS: Faith
Subject: RE: BS: Faith
Jerry,

you've opened a can of worms with that question. Everybody seems to have a different understanding of the word 'faith' and most of the conflicts here come from different understandings.

Let's have a look into Webster's dictionary what 'faith' can be:

(1) (a) Allegiance to duty or a person
    (b) Fidelity to one's promises

I can easily understand for instance Doug's post in that sense. Bobert, of course, uses another sense of 'faith' to make fun of Bush as Doug's 'God'.

(2) (a) Belief and trust in and loyality to God
    (b) Belief in the traditional doctines of a religion
    (c) Firm belief into something for which there is no proof.

Some here think immediately of their personal religion when describing their faith(s) and I can understand that. However, Jerry has meant the nondenominational ("Faith has no denomination.") sense of faith, so I guess he leans towards the broadest definition (2, c) here with the understanding that it also covers (a) and (b).

(3) Something that is believed with strong conviction, esp. a system of religious beliefs.

Maybe some here prefer this definition, I don't know.

I do not believe into anything supernatural, so only a a few of these definitions cover my case. Jim Dixon has given my spontaneous response. Don't use 'faith' whenever it is possible to use more trustworthy information. So 'faith' isn't a word in my daily life, even in situations with uncertainties and weak knowledge. 'Possible', 'trust', 'probable', 'confident' 'convinced', even 'believe' would be my words, but never 'faith'.

Are there things I never questions in my life? Hardly any, though in a continuum of convictions with more or less potential for being altered some basic convictions come close to being unquestionable or at least unquestioned:

My trust in my closest friends and family, my conviction that we only have this planet for a long time to come and therefore we should leave it in a state that makes it habitable for our grandchildren and theirs, my belief that all humans have a right to be treated as such,...

But I do not see these beliefs as quasi religious beliefs, I rather see them as the most sense making options. I guess in my daily life decisions I'm hardly any different from Christians living around me. However, I came from a very different basic conviction. I would never call this set of convictions my faith, for I think there is more than no proof for their validity, but I could understand if someone else would use this word.

Wolfgang