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Thread #67315   Message #1130937
Posted By: CarolC
07-Mar-04 - 12:17 PM
Thread Name: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
I'll yell at you if I want to nerd. Don't tell me what to do.

When I say Palestinians, I am referring to the people who live in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. These people may be Muslim, and they may be Christian, and in some cases they may be Jewish. They mostly have Arabic ancestry. But in all cases, I'm talking about the people whose families have lived in and farmed those areas for hundreds of years. Your practice of constantly referring to Jordan is misleading, and shows your true intentions, which have nothing to do with making peace between two peoples. It looks to me like what you favor is the removal of the remaining Palestinians from their homes in the Occupied Territories. One of the reasons Jordan hasn't absorbed the refugees that currently live within its borders as they appear on maps today is because they just don't have the resources to absorb that many refugees, and because of unrest between the people from whom the Palestinians would take away jobs (if they could find any jobs). And if they were to have to absorb two million Palestinians from the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, it would cause massive disruption of their own social fabric.

Once again, Jordan is a Palestinian Arab state occupying 77 percent of British Mandate Palestine. It is entirely a creation of the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab segments. Its name derives from the British designation transjordan, meaning "that part of Palestine on the East of the river Jordan."   It was the part of Palestine the Arabs got. It is the much bigger part, and the much better part, with all the oil and other natural resources. You never seem to respond to or even acknowledge this in your posts, and you perpetuate the myth that the Palestinian refugees in Israel are the whole of the Palestinian Arab community.

The Palestinians in Israel aren't all refugees. Many of them are living where they and their families have been living for centuries. The ones who are refugees are mostly ones who were chased off of land that had been granted to the Arabs by the British in the partition plan, and who were chased off of their land by the Israelis at the point of a gun in the period just before, during, and after 1948. That is, the ones who weren't outright massacrred.

Ok, Galbraith. Arafat is a bad man. He is a crook and he stole some money. Are you saying that these things justify the massive human rights abuses that Israel is perpetrating against the Palestinians? Because if you are, you would be advocating collective punishment, and I'm sure Hitler would be proud of you for that. People keep using Arafat to justify Israel treating the Palestinians worse than they would treat their livestock.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... a Palestinian once said that Arafat would be long gone by now if Israel didn't make such a big issue about him. Arafat is exactly where the government of Israel wants him to be. Look how effective having him to use as a whipping boy has been to get people like you to ignore the horrible things the government if Israel is doing to the Palestinians while you complain about Arafat. Plus, having him remaain in power gives them an excuse to do whatever they want to the Palestinians. The government of Israel doesn't want him gone. He's too useful to them.

I suggest that if they want Arafat gone, they should end the occupation, and forget about him. He would quickly fade away into the mists of history if they would do that.