By the way, CarolC, you may say that it sounds to YOU as if I want the Palestinians removed into Jordan. But you're not reading too closely then. I have repeatedly stated my position: I think Israel should give up the west bank and that the Palestinians should have a state there. It makes the most sense demographically. BUT, the problem is that the Jordan river is a defensible border, and the border between the west bank and Israel is not. That's the whole reason that Israel has held on to the West Bank in the first place; even you would have to admit that otherwise it's been more trouble to them than it's worth. Therefore, I think that Israel is reasonable to wait until they have a workable treaty with strong safeguards in place before they do this. Once they create this state, I think that Palestinian refugees wherever they may be should move to the new Palestinian state and cease to make claims on other parts of Israel. Enough is enough.

Well this is where we part ways, then. Because Israel has no intention of ever letting the Palestinians keep even the land they now occupy. They won't be finished until all of the Palestinians are gone. You can take that to the bank.

The rest, as I said a little earlier, is going to have to wait.