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Thread #67470   Message #1132149
Posted By: Wolfgang
09-Mar-04 - 12:18 PM
Thread Name: BS: Faith
Subject: RE: BS: Faith
Amos,

if someone fails a test on paranormal abilities or even if every claimant for a long time has failed a test for paranormal abilities this means nothing at all regarding compassion, creativity,...

That's completely unconnected. There is no need to believe into anything paranormal or supernatural for these to exist. Let us take intuition as an example. Action control without conscious perception and awareness would be one of recent theories about it. Parapsychologists would rather talk about 'transliminality' but that is basically the same idea. Neither the observable facts nor the subjective experience would go away, only the postulated explanation would differ. Randi's motivation is very different from what you think.

In 1882, the Society for Psychical Research has been founded. After 120 years of collecting reports, atrifacts, photos and doing experiments I consider it a very modest demand that at least one experiment or demonstration should be clear beyond any doubt or even repeatable. Since we are still waiting for that to happen I consider the possibility that actually there may be nothing to it becoming more and more probable.

The trust in 'direct experiences' always makes me smile. In the middle ages, there were many reports about women giving birth to dogs or rats after having been scared by dogs or rats. People have sworn to have seen these things. People have sworn to have seen women riding through the sky on a broom. All these were direct experiences. My direct or less direct experiences waqrn me to mistrust any claims to direct experiences. There are very good reasons not to consider them as a proof.

Wolfgang