"Everyone Else is Full of it!" would indeed be a fruitful title for a satirical thread, Jerry. It's fascinating how tenaciously people defend their chosen view of reality and a bit perplexing how offended they can get when offered a differing view. This sort of wrangling gets worst, however, when it steps out on the political stage, I think.

Ellenpoly - keep plugging away. Your persistence will be rewarded eventually, as people on the forum get to know you better. :-)

- LH