Jerry I've enjoyed reading and contributing to this thread, debate included. Thank you for starting it!

...been working late at my lathe, and I sure could use an OOB right now!...will single malt scotch help?)

Maybe, Bill, but then again you'd probably (and most logically) attribute any "experience" you might have to the scotch. Back to square one!

You also state that you used to feel otherwise, BEFORE certain experiences, so presumably you know what it feels like for those of us who are not privileged to have such experiences. *little wry smile*

Well it's no "privilege" imo Bill. Any human being who has an honest desire or true need for a "spiritual experience" is guaranteed to have it when they are ready, as long as they make some sort of sincere effort towards that end.   

Visions, even majestic experiences like the phenomenal one shy cat shared above sure rate second best to knowing that every experience you'll ever have, physical and otherwise, is a "spiritual" one. And it really is. It all depends on one's perspective.


To quote from The Little Prince ...

The eyes are blind. One must look with the heart.

- Antoine de Saint Exupéry

(Oops, that's poetic, not scientific. Sorry, Bill ... I still like it though ....)


You may find it hard to believe, but I would LOVE to be proved wrong...if I can have an explanation of how it works that doesn't rely on poetry and linguistic weaving to clarify the matter.

Well if you're sincere and not just pulling everyone's antlers Bill, PM me if you want. I have an idea that requires no special chants, postures, moods, religious "beliefs", linguistic weaving, poetry, trauma, debate or philosophy. If the time is right, you could maybe prove or disprove your own ideas for YOURSELF, once and for all.

daylia