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Thread #67315   Message #1134255
Posted By: Nerd
11-Mar-04 - 06:51 PM
Thread Name: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
Carol,

I never said it was the British intention to move anyone into Transjordan, but that Transjordan was the part of the Palestine mandate set aside for Arabs. Nothing you have said contradicts that. Anyone moving anywhere would have been entirely voluntary. Just as Muslims were allowed to remain in India, even though Pakistan was created to be a Muslim state, so they would have been allowed to remain in Israel. Whether they wanted to live in a Jewish state was another question.

I also never said anything that contradicts the 1947 map; indeed, it reflects exactly what I said: that AFTER there had already been a state in the British Palestine Mandate set aside for Arabs (Transjordan), the UN set aside ANOTHER one (the west bank and Gaza Strip). Israel agreed to those borders, but the Arabs in several countries rose against them and the Palestinians in Israel rose up, so israel fought back. Jordan took the land; Israel won it from Jordan in a later war. We've been through it all before, and it makes the 1947 UN plan irrelevant. The Arabs, including the Palestinians, were the ones who rejected that plan.

As to the laws, the US has also enacted wartime emergency laws that may look repressive (and indeed were). You took the characterization of these laws from an obviously biased and distorted website. For example, the law stating that Israel took lands from people who were "forced to flee." They were forced to flee because they rejected Israeli citizenship and rose up in armed revolt against the government! Guess what? The US confiscated British lands in the Revolutionary war, too. It was the Arabs who started that war, and now they complain that they lost their land.

Your discussion of how the Israelis deceived the Palestinians and got them to flee only makes the Israelis look smart AND just. They avoided having to fight pitched battles, and kill or be killed. Is this such a bad thing? Remember again, they did not start that war.

Finally, in the following statement:

This law applies only to Israeli Arabs:

Following enactment of the Nationality and Entry into Israel Law on 31 July 2003, thousands of couples will be forced to live apart. Children will be separated from their parents at the age of 12 or will become lawbreakers through no fault of their own. Many families will remain in Israel with no legal status in order to live together.


you neglect even to tell us what the law is or what it does. It seems from the title that it would only apply to immigrants. If so, they can choose whether or not to immigrate there based on what the laws are. Anyway, is this separation of couples really a consequence? We can't tell from what you give us.

This isn't really information, it's propaganda.