I suspect that Wolfgang, if pressed, would certainly agree, Bill, that he does not KNOW there are no alien ships visiting this planet. However, he certainly gives the general impression that he KNOWS that whenever he discusses it. :-) And I think his underlying assumption is one of almost complete certainty. It's an emotional assumption, not a logical one. Strong emotional assumptions can always hunt up various forms of logic to apparently support them...although the logic is limited by available information.

Now I give the general impression that I do believe there are alien ships visiting this planet. That is mainly because I saw something that most likely was an alien ship....and so have a great many other people...and photographs have been taken...and craft have been tracked on radar screens...and jet planes have chased them...and so on. I don't KNOW it, but I strongly suspect it. What I do KNOW is what I saw.

There is a tremendous amount of evidence supporting my proposition, and none whatsoever supporting Wolfgang's, but he considers his propostion to be vastly more likely. That is illogical.

I freely admit that there may be other explanations: the ships could be of Earthly manufacture (if so, by whom?). They could be from the "inner Earth" (a whole other possible subject...but I doubt it). They could be non-physical apparitions (but I doubt it). They could be time travellers. They could be interdimensional travellers.

I don't know. All I know is I saw some on 2 different occasions (involving entirely different-looking craft), and the most likely explanation to me is that they were interplanetary craft...but it's just one of a number of possibilities.

Chief Chaos and numerous others have recounted their own stories.

Now, Bill, I'm sure you have seen some things I haven't in your life. If you were to tell me about some of those things I wouldn't be inclined to disbelieve you just because I haven't seen one yet...nor would I necessarily assume that you lack the ability to understand what you are looking at. It takes very strong faith to deny other people's experience out of hand, unless it appears to defy the laws of reality as you know them...and even then it takes some arrogance...if you regard the other person as sane and normal.

There is nothing about a visiting extra-terrestrial vehicle visting Earth that defies the laws of reality as we know them. It's about as impossible as James Cook visiting Hawaii, as a matter of fact...or you or me flying to Florida. All it requires is someone out there with the technology to do it and the desire to.

And if, unlike the colonizing British, they neither stay nor invade...well, so? That simply raises some VERY interesting questions, doesn't it? If you have the imagination to ask them...

- LH