I still stand by my statement that we should try to ensure that landlords do apply for entertainments licenses.

Yes it is indeed sensible to try and ensure that as many places we know of do apply for the additional entertainment permission. I just think that where this may be out Government's and perhaps our LAs main task - in order to try and make the unworkable, work - it is not really ours. As it is not possible for us to have very much impact as to who chooses to apply or not - beyond those we may have personal contact with.

Another possible factor for us to bear in mind is that in order to try and ensure that most places apply - The offical bodies may even try (through the wording of guidance and local policies) to push the scales. To try and create a situation where it looks as if applying for the entertainment permission is the only way that even background recorded music can take place. I certainly would not like to been seen as party to that.

That is why I think that our efforts are best made, to try and ensure that the many exemptions - especially the one for incidental live music - will mean that the basic right for an individual to express themselves through music making, will not be taken away by the officers who will have to try and make this this terrible piece of legislation work.

It would also be nice and perhaps part of the answer, if we could get our local licensing committees to concentrate on the safety aspects. What in fact this Act was supposed to be about - rather than wasting time defining words that the Act or the guidance does not define. And arguing about what an entertainment facility is, what is or is not incidental or what is Morris - whilst drunken football supporters are tearing our towns apart after attending live TV showings in pubs - which of course will still NOT require the addtional licensing permission. Euro 2004 is just a few months away.

I agree with Richard (B) - the whole thing is a desgrace and should be torn up. It will not be and we will now have to accept and make the most of it - but I suspect that most of us will never forget what has been inflicted upon us.........