dianavan - I don't know about what people are capable of. I just know that I need to have faith and hope that the people will make the government into their own. It may not be exactly like ours, it may not be anything remotely close, but I believe that what they ahd was worse than anything we have (or ever had).

A lot of people have come to this country for the opportunities. The least we can do for those folks is offer them an opportunity. We did that for Japan, Germany, and dozens of others over the years and they seem to have made it work for them.

So if the past is any indicator - well I believe that the future is also possible. Railing against that possibility is quitting in my opinion. We are there, can not change that, so why not do what we can to give the country a shot at it?

And having family and friends in Iraq I struggle with the "innocent civilians" being the ones killed. Not true. Simply a blatant lie by some to sway an opinion of others. Many of the people killed over there are extremist Muslims from other countries that have come to stop any change in their fundamentalist view of how the country ought to be run.

And I'm not of the opinion that civilians have not been killed. That's occurred in every conflict since history. I do believe that the majority of our military are doing their level best, as they always have, to avoid those deaths. I think we need to remember that the people fighting over there, on both sides for the most part, are fighting for what they believe and taking the best care to not involve "civilians" or non-military in the actions.

The terrorists don't care who they kill - they are indiscriminate murderers and should be killed for what they are doing.

Just my .01 worth

Steve