Bobert: When you were growing up, there were a lot fewer limitations to gun ownership. Now, anyone under 18 with a gun has it illegally. It seems to me that the more laws are passed, the worse the situation becomes. It does not take a rocket scientist ( 8-) )to think that if what you are doing makes things worse, you should stop doing them.

AND of course, if you want to say that the danger gives the right to ignore the 2nd amendment, then how about the others? Why let people practice a religion that encourages violence? Or write articles that incite violence? Or any of the other rights we would like to have? Can you complain about the Patriot Act ( which I find really scary, given that the next administration might decide that how you raise your children is of highest concern) when you would allow ANY part of the Bill of Rights to be run roughshod over? I have to agree with Thomas Moore on this one... I would give even the devil the benefit of the law.

And the German anti-tank gun was 13mm or so. A 12 gauge shotgun puts about a 1 inch slug out there, if you want to knock something down- but a .30 cal was the standard in quite a few WWII aircraft. During WWII, the US made a lot of single shot shotguns, out of a piece of wood, two tubes, and a nail. We dropped them to partisans, to be used to "acquire" more useful weapons- but they worked.