I was referring to people who are trying to excuse what happened by comparing it to hazing rituals and frat parties, Chief Chaos. I did not have you in mind when I posted what I did. I was talking about people I have been seeing in the media who trying to trivialize these things.

And the events at columbine and other schools certainly weren't voluntary or non-violent.

I would hardly call the shootings at Columbine and other schools either hazing rituals or frat parties.

I have a response to DougR's question, even though I have not at any time engaged in any "outpourings of rage" against our military people...

DougR, these events in the prison happened before those four security people were killed, mutilated, and their bodies hung from a bridge. For all we know, the killing of those security contractors may have been in retaliation for the way Iraqis are being "abused" by US military personnel as well as by private contractors. And it ill suits you to try to use the killing of the security contractors as a way of criticizing people who are engaging in a discussion of crimes committed by people on "our side".