"Having said that bit I am not prepared to to enter any arguments on the morality of those who say, such as Despotic Governments in the Middle East, or "Freedom Fighters" in Ireland, who scream "torture" where Brits/ US of A are concerned, and have a different attitude towards thier own treatment of "dissidants" and "informers"

Gareth not only wants to have his cake, and to eat it.
He also wants to have a glass or two of Champagne.

With cherries.

But you're learning..., in fairness    !

Jim