Well, Kendall, unfortunately you haven't got it yet. The point of it WAS torture, and they well understood the "mores" of the Muslim culture. This is not an example of ignorance, it's an example of what real live war leads people to do- try and hurt the enemy where he hurts most and easiest. Not pretty, but it is what happens. And BTW, please don't equate "humiliation and degradation" with what went on in Saddam's torture chambers- regardless of cultural differences, they just plain ain't the same! Ending this conflict is simple- turn over the reins of government and beat an immediate retreat home. Too bad there are so many egos at the top of the pile....this probably won't happen.