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Thread #69772   Message #1186793
Posted By: CarolC
16-May-04 - 12:11 PM
Thread Name: BS: Arafat: Terrorize your enemy.
Subject: RE: BS: Arafat: Terrorize your enemy.
1. There are video clips of such celebrations, and pronouncements from the Palestinians.

Please provide some documentation to support this assertion.

I do realize that not all are guilty- UNLIKE the Palestinians themselves, who target any Isaraeli, Jew, or supposed supporter.   I have not heard of any IDF forces boarding cruise ships and dumping old men in wheelchairs into the ocean because they were Muslim.

You realize that not all of whom are guilty? In the first half of your sentence you say you realize that not all are guilty, and then you say that "UNLIKE the Palestinians", etc. etc. So it looks like you hold all Palestinians responsible for the acts of some Palestinians.

"The Palestinians" do no such thing. There are some Palestinians who do these things (although precious few), just as there are some Israeli Jews who do these things.

Dr. Baruch Goldstein, for instance, who gunned down, in cold blood, at least 29 Muslims while they were at prayer in the Ibrahimi mosque.

"He has become a hero among some of Israel's right-wing extremists. His tombstone in Kiryat Arba reads "Here lies the saint, Dr. Baruch Kappel Goldstein, blessed be the memory of the righteous and holy man, may the Lord avenge his blood, who devoted his soul to the Jews, Jewish religion and Jewish land. His hands are innocent and his heart is pure. He was killed as a martyr of God on the 14th of Adar, Purim, in the year 5754.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

And Menachem Begin. We know how Israel punished him for his role in the cold blooded massacre at Deir Yassin. They made him a prime minister:

"Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish State; it had a peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Deir Yassin was slated for occupation under Plan Dalet and the mainstream Jewish defense force, the Haganah, authorized the irregular terrorist forces of the Irgun and the Stern Gang to perform the takeover.

In all over 100 men, women, and children were systematically murdered. Fifty-three orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City, where they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony Hotel to her home, which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage."

http://www.deiryassin.org/index1.html

http://www.deiryassin.org/purpose.html

And of course, Ariel Sharon, whom they punished for his war crimes of being in charge of the massacre at Qibya by making him the Defense Minister, and then the Prime Minister:

"A United Nations report suggests an even more grisly sequence: "Bullet-riddled bodies near the doorways and multiple bullet hits on the doors of the demolished houses," the document says, "indicated that the inhabitants had been forced to remain inside until their homes were blown up over them."[4]

Commander E.H. Hutchison, a U.S. naval officer serving on the U.N. armistice monitoring commission, investigated the slaughter. "Here and there from between the rocks," he wrote, "you could see a tiny hand or foot protruding.""

Benziman, the biographer, describes Sharon's consistently sadistic behavior toward Arabs: His men "witnessed him laughing as a junior officer tormented an old Arab and then shot him at close range; they noted his composure as he planned operations designed to kill as many civilians as possible; they carried out his intricate plan to trap a peaceful Bedouin boy shepherding his flock.""

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0712-03.htm

2. I hold those who commit the crime to be responsible.- Why don't you??????

That's exactly what I do. You, on the other hand, appear to ignore the crimes of Israelis, and to blame all Palestinians for the crimes of some Palestinians.

3. There may be cases where the investigation is not as detailed as I would like- HOWEVER, the Palestinians have not prosecuted any of their people for acts of murder and destruction. When the Palestinians attempt to do a fraction of what the Israelis have already done, you can use that argument.

Maybe you'd better re-examine this statement now.

OK, so if I give you one article about a Muslim who married a Jew and lived in Israel, you would concede that your post of 15 May 05:37PM is false???

Hardly. I'll have some more for you in a little while.

I'll respond to more of your post a bit later.