...however, I don't think any of the posters on this thread who have said they want scientific proof really want proof that what people like LH, Amos, and I are saying is true. I think that they only want proof that it isn't true. I notice that when I offered to do a test using plants, not one of the people who has said they would like proof took me up on my offer. Not even my offer to describe the scientific model I would be using. The silence in response to my offers was deafening (figuratively speaking).

Of cause this brings us to the subject of consciousness, but I think that should have it's own thread.

For some of us, "consciousness" is not a separate subject, but, as with matter and spirit, it is all a part of the same thing.

de gustibus non disputandem est

Precisely, Bill. Couldn't have put it better myself.