I don't think Chuck & Doug will pay any atention to refutations, no matter how well-documented or well-reasoned.

Their objective is for their team to win, and therefore the end justifies the means. I'd like my side to win, all right, but I want them to win fairly. This is meaningless to those who seek and/or worship power; just as the admonition to support the president in all things because he is president is meaningless to me.

We're talking past each other.

... and if you quote me please include the part about "in all things."

clint