I have strong doubts they are lying. Of course that is why they are coming forward because they specifically, more than any others, were accused of very serious things which they dispute. Their honor was challenged. I am just starting to understand this myself...I thought of it as more generic, tarring all troops, but I see how they would take this extremely personally. And I am not a Bush apologist but Iw ill defend anyone who served stateside, int eh Guard or whatever from idiotic and cruel insults from know-nothings. mg