hello fiddle players / violinists (if you havent had any beer spilt on it yet)

i am looking into buying a violin and learning some fiddle playing. however i am clueless and new to such events.

as this is the case, i thought i would put an enquiry out into the Mudcat as to the following 2 violins i have found on ebay. they are from a music shop, not second hand, so both are new.

Here are the links to the two violins.

There's This One

And This One

Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated, and remember i am a total beginner so am just looking for a starter violin that will be nice to play and sound nice etc.

Thanks again