As far as I can tell, you are the same GUEST who has started eleventy-umpteen threads on essentially this same subject, arguing the same arguments, and heaping contempt on anyone who doesn't buy what you're selling. You're not going to win anybody over by accusing those who don't agree with you of being nothing but a bunch of brainwashed zombies. Some of us know exactly what we are doing.

On the off chance that, by some incredible fluke, Ralph Nader or David Cobb were elected, neither of them would be able to do much of anything because they would be opposed by a Congress currently disposed to obstruct any implementation of progressive ideas. Dennis Kucinich (who I voted for in my neighborhood caucus, knowing full well that he wouldn't win the nomination, but wanting to make a statement) would have the same problem.

American government is much like a supertanker. It is not a nimble vessel. It responds very slowly to any attempts to change its direction, and such changes, to avoid disaster, must be made gradually. Kerry may be a centrist, but that's a helluva lot better than being right wing. He would, at least, crank the wheel over to port a bit instead of continuing to swing it over to starboard.

You can't just change the president, you have to change the Congress as well. With Nader, Cobb, or even Kucinich at the helm, Congress would simply cut the engines and we'd be adrift, in grave danger of running aground.

Don Firth