No axe to grind for either side of this argument. Surely there's room for complementary use of these techniques - sometimes old remedies, like the bark containing aspirin, turn out to have a rational explanation in the end. But I couldn't help but notice that Clinton Hammond used a quote from "Star Wars" - that fantastically accurate piece of scientific non-fiction!!! - to emphasize his point. Glad Han Solo's empirical data about the extent of the universe is given credence over and above the "quacks".