The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #73222   Message #1272601
Posted By: Little Hawk
15-Sep-04 - 01:06 PM
Thread Name: BS: Is there a god or not?
Subject: RE: BS: Is there a god or not?
Extraordinary experiences do not require extraordinary proof for the one who has them. If someone else wants extraordinary proof, that's his problem. :-) I don't frankly care whether or not he wants proof. What difference does it make to the one who had the experience?

We are not all required to believe in the same things in order that the World keep turning comfortably on its axis.

It's nice to have proof if you can get it...don't get me wrong. But there are some things that no one will ever be able to prove...or disprove...because they are not within the realm of matters that are measureable or detectable by the five physical senses. And it is precisely those things that lie beyond the five senses that one is seeking to work with when on a path of spiritual evolution...those things in addition to all the stuff that IS detectable and measureable by the five physical senses.

The physical world is a reflection of the spiritual world that lies unseen behind it. It's spiritual thought-energy condensed into recognizable waveforms (such as light, heat, radio waves, ultraviolet, sound, and so on) and recognizable objects. The order that exists in Spirit is reflected and reproduced in lower forms of manifestation...the physical worlds. So the physical worlds are allegorical constructions of the thoughts which emanate from Spirit in the first place.

All this goes totally beyond conventional religions, by the way, but conventional religions have tried to express it and deal with it as best they could, while often erring in creating gods that are like bigger more powerful humans, complete with all too human characterists like jealousy, anger, and so on.

Science is the highest form of disciplined observation and applied knowledge that has been accomplished within the framework of physical existence. Because science necessarily is confined within that framework, the science community has tended to be of the opinion that that framework is all that is. They are mistaken about that.

Thought did not arise spontaneously and mysteriously at some point out of inert matter. Thought created the physical worlds by making light...then slowing the light down enough to form physical realities that exist on a temporary and ever-changing basis in time. Spirit is timeless.

And no one will ever be able to "prove" it empirically through science, because empirical science is itself contained within the spectrum of the physical space/time realities and cannot get past them...except by a theoretical breaththrough in the mind of a great scientist. (and that has been happening here and there)

Mind is the arbiter of reality. Mind is the doer, the creator, the interpreter of all reality, and the original cause. Without Mind you would not even be able to disbelieve in what I am saying or have any opinion about it and you would have no science or personal identity. Mind has given you everything. God is Mind. You are a little fragment of Mind that imagines itself to be separated and alone, and reacts accordingly, but you are not alone.

However, as long as you think you are separated and alone then that is precisely what you will experience. So you're in charge of your reality. Totally. You live the reality you choose to inflict upon yourself...and if you like it, that's just fine. If you don't, then you have the means to set about changing it at any time. People on a consciously spiritual path are people who have decided to set about changing their reality...from the inside out.

People who don't believe in anything spiritual usually attempt to change their reality from the outside in. They have a different notion about where the Power in Life lies. They think it's found in outer circumstance. It is not.